LASFS Minutes ("Menace")
Meeting # 4090, 12/31/2015 PDF Print E-mail

Matthew Tepper presiding

Nick Smith, Scribe

Patron Saint: Forry Ackerman

President Matthew Tepper reminded us that Auld meeting times should not be forgot at: 8:00 pm

Special Orders of Business:

While his life was celebrated in depth last meeting, the actual passing of

George Clayton Johnson was on Friday, December 25th. He might have appreciated that, as it makes a better story. He was co-creator of Logan’s Run and the writer or creator of SEVEN Twilight Zone episodes. He co-wrote the original treatment for the film Ocean’s 11, and wrote scripts or stories for Star Trek, Honey West, Wanted Dead or Alive, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, Route 66, and Kung Fu. He even acted in an episode of Sea Hunt, apparently just because.

Bass player Lemmy Kilmister, was best known as founder of the metal band Motorhead, with 40 albums, but fans may know his music from when he was part of the band Hawkwind. There he worked on rock music based on the Eternal Champion novels of Michael Moorcock and Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny. He was sort of the world’s loudest filker.

Meadowlark Lemon, mainly known as a member of the Harlem Globetrotters, but also acted on Gilligan's Island, and did a lot of voice work for animation.

Minutes of the last meeting

$5 from Regina to name the minutes “Kick the Can.”



Saint Stuff:

Nick—Back in the early 1980s, Forry was still acting as a literary agent. Many of the writers had given him manuscripts to sell as much as 30 years earlier, and some were never sold, or sold to magazines or anthologies which never came out. In those cases, authors told him to keep the manuscripts and try again. When Fantasy Book was getting started, Nick met with Forry to see if any of these stories could be used. That is how the first issue of the magazine ended up with a long-lost L. Ron Hubbard short story, and the second issue had a story co-written by Forry himself and Donald Wollheim. Forry also found a story in his files by Albert Hernhuter, who turned out to be the uncle of Nick’s then girlfriend, and who had given up writing for a career in meteorology. He was very surprised to get the check, almost 30 years after he wrote the story.

Eric—Didn't expect to ever meet him, but eventually got to work with him on the Famous Monsters magazine. Always a fan at heart. The calls and letters he got from fans meant a lot to him. They did a duet of Al Jolson songs at a LosCon.

Scratch—had the pleasure of going through the Ackermansion collection for a day, and was finally scuttled out the door because it had gotten dark, having seen only a fraction.

Regina—had fond memories of what a gracious host Forry was, on a visit.

Joe—One of the Man from UNCLE books by McDaniel involves a present day vampire, and Forry is included as a character.

Mike Thorsen—present at the LaLaCon where Forry was a guest, speaking on the history of LASFS. Asked what the most special thing about LASFS was, and he pointed to the display cases. Forry said that everything in the cases and on the walls had a story, and that someone knew that story.

Eric—One of his favorite memories was Forry at conventions. One year Jack Kirby and Kirk Alyn were judges along with Forryat the masquerade, and there were two different Vampirellas. One was Brinke Stevens, and the other an exotic dancer named Destiny, who were actively tormenting the judges.

Tom Safer—at one time Tom was friends with Dr. Donald Reed, and Dr. Reed invited Tom to come along to a party at Forry's. Tom got to see the collection at that party.

Eylat—Met Forry in a unique way. She learned about LASFS from an announcement in a magazine, and came to find out about fandom. While researching fandom for a speech for a college class, she wrote a letter to Forry, and he wrote back by sending her information and fanzines, and inviting her to one of his open house parties. Ray Bradbury was sitting next to her, and she didn't know who that was. This led to an argument between Ray and Forry about who deserved to be called “Mr. Sci-Fi.” Nicknamed her “Mystery Girl.”

Barbara—Forry didn't like to drive, and Barbara drove him around many years ago, called him Uncle Forry because of the difference in their ages. He offered to help Jim Harmon get work as a writer, very low-budget stuff. Jim and Forry had a falling out when Jim got an offer to do a competing magazine. The last time she saw Forry was at the Paperback Show, and he was fading in and out, but he had moments of clarity there.

Matthew—had a teacher named Florence Russell, whose husband was the FBI agent who investigated LASFS, brought SF people to class to talk about SF. That was when Matthew was 10 or 11, and Forry was one of the people she brought to talk to students. His silliest memory of Forry was seeing Forry play Chopin at a nudist resort.

Barbara—she was Forry's date at  a similar event.

Joe—has seen a fan film Forry made where he inadvertently released a genie. The dancing girl in the film was Bjo.

June—John deChancie came up to Len and said “I loved your story,” and Len said “What story?” It was in an anthology, and Forry helped them collect the check.

Gavin—when he attended his first SF convention in 1972, it was the Fantasy Film Fans International convention, and Forry was the featured guest. Gavin went up to ask a question, which was “Mr. Ackerman, how did you end up in a Man from UNCLE novel?”

Gerry—met Forry a number of times, and Forry was responsible for one of the best pieces of film that Gerry had ever seen, at a memorial at the Egyptian Theater. Packed event with a turn-away crowd. People went up on stage to talk about Forry, but then a big image of Forry came on the screen, speaking from his deathbed to the fans. It was filmed for that purpose, and may have been his best acting job.

Frank Waller—met Forry at a convention, but Frank first went up to the wrong author and asked him if he was Forry.

Tom Camus—wanted to make sure that someone mentioned that Forry was an integral part of the club in the 30s and 40s, and that many people who were there had said there might have been no LASFS without him.

Eric—Forry introduced him to Christoper Lee and Fritz Lang at a party. Because they were debating over a point, Forry pointed them to Eric to answer a question.

Bill Ellern—met Forry a very long time ago, before the Ackermansion. Even then, his house was filled with books. The office was piles of paper around a swivel chair. Later at the Ackermansion he remembers getting A. E. Van Vogt to explain his ventures into psychology. Van Vogt had attempted to use his superego to create stories, by getting an alarm clock to ring every 30-60 minutes, so that he never deeply slept, and cranked out stories both good and bad by that method. Forry got people to open up in public, including birthday parties at the Biltmore. Bill said that people were trying to get him on audio recordings, telling stories [Tom Camus says that some were done]. Blll asked him about Doc Smith, and Forry showed him unpublished manuscripts. Forry shamelessly raided files of the film companies, which is where he got the material for Famous Monsters and the Ackermansion. He would go on vacation in Europe and come back with a hundred boxes of books. His then-secretary finally informed him that he had no place to put any more stuff.

June—Forry's parties would last for two days, because he couldn't fit all the guests into his house at one time.

Barbara—at his birthday parties, he would give the guests presents.

CLJII—it was his pleasure to be a friend of Forry's for many years. Charlie found LASFS because he called Forry, and Bill Warren answered the phone, and said that Forry was away, but would be at LASFS later. That was what led Charlie to encounter LASFS. Forry took out a lifetime subscription to Charlie's writing, but he took people to work and help out Forry in the later years, trying to catalog his collection of stills. Only made it up to the letter R. Visited Forry in the hospital. He rallied enough to get to the House of Pies and back. Charlie had made him Fan GOH for the 1984 LosCon.

CLJII—Forry said that his last words would be “Sci Fi”

Three Cheers and not a dry martini

Time-Bound Announcements:

Friday the 1st, Marty is opening the clubhouse for socializing and gaming. Clubhouse opens at 12, food starts at 2.

Sunday the 3rd from 4 pm to 10 pm, monster movies

LASFS board meeting of January 10th will consider LosCon bids.

TSPC will be Jan. 16th at 10 am, and it will be the first Night Stalker film

Treasurer’s Report: Elayne's not here

Incoming president's report: 2016 will be known as the year of Y4E

Committee reports:

CLJII—leftover goodies from Dec. 25 party for tonight's party.

Upcoming programs:

Jan. 7—Open discussion “Quo Vadis LASFS”. Thoughts about the club and its future.

Jan. 14—Tim Griffin pre-meeting

Jan. 21—Big Auction

Jan. 28—Tentative My Favorite Book programs

Episodes of Science Fiction Theater, with Truman Bradley

A Moment of Science, with David Okamura, will resume in the new year because he couldn’t manage to top last week’s edition.

Old Business

New Business


Frank—saw Star Wars. Thoroughly enjoyable for the Hardware Wars people.

Matthew says that one of the characters was based on a teacher from his high school, according to J. J. Abrams.

Time-Bound Announcement:

CLJ II—two new books going into the LASFS library. 18 e-books, 12 physical books.

Fannish committee reports

Mike Thorsen—on Facebook there is a thing about crowdfunding an Axanar Star Trek fan film. Paramount has apparently gotten upset, because it's a GOOD fan film.


Tom Safer heard the dumbest criminal story on the news. Police pulled over a weaving driver, who saw a cop arriving, and the driver tried to smoke up all the evidence.

Nick--A fan in Montana last week gave new meaning to the term “spoiler alert.” He was so upset that a Facebook correspondent had given away one of the plot points for the new Star Wars movie that he posted a threatening picture of himself holding a gun, described as having a hair trigger. The young student who posted the spoiler was frightened, and reported it to authorities, who then locked down his entire school and arrested the fan. The moral appears to be, the next time you threaten someone over a spoiler, use a lightsaber, an elegant weapon for a more civilized time.

Drew, old returning young member, is working on a film project, and wants to be here at the club more.

Tom Safer—Today is the 60th anniversary of One Froggy Evening by Chuck Jones

Hare—on the Star Trek fan film lawsuit. In the past the rulings have been in favor of the fans.

Adjourn to program at: 9:30 pm
Meeting # 4089, 12/24/2015 PDF Print E-mail

Matthew Tepper, President

Kristen Gorlitz, Scribe

Patron Saints Elayne Pelz, Robbie Bourget, Marty Cantor

Matthew Tepper called the meeting to order at precisely 8:00 pm

Special Orders of Business:

Celebrating the life of George Clayton Johnson -

Marty Cantor: Was once on same panel as George. George didn't show up for 1st half, and they were on topic until he showed up. George talked about things that interested George, and it was a wonderful panel to be on.

Matthew Tepper: He was indeed a stoner- the most brilliant and cogent stoner Matthew has ever known. Some have flashes of brilliance, but George was a steady beam of brilliance. Few got in conversation with George, he got involved with what you were, and the love he generated pulled you in. Never came away unhappy or dissatisfied from a conversation with George.

Tom Locke: MSN reported him dead, one time at a con, crazy George (as he was known to friends), encountered a couple of runners who came into the room where George was sitting, shouted “save us, save us, the sandman is after us”, and sure enough, sandman try to come through the door. George props his feet on the door. “Why did you block our way. Why did you stop us?” the sandman cried. I'm George Clayton Johnson, and they stopped in their tracks - here was the creator of the universe they were playing in

Joe Zeff: At a Loscon at Burbank Hilton in the smoking lounge, he spent a pleasant time talking with George and he was a delight to talk with. He not only wrote but basically created the story for the original Ocean's Eleven. Rat pack wanted to make a heist movie set in Las Vegas and they handed that to George and the entire story came out of his imagination

Tom Locke: Long before he knew George, he saw Ocean’s Eleven

Matthew: Lived outside of LA and flew in to visit at Thanksgiving and go to Loscon, KTLA ran Twilight Zone marathon and they always played “Nothing in the Dark”, very touching, moving story that is about dying and moving on. It was such a moving story that he would then head off to Loscon and he would run into George and pump his hand, thanking him for that episode. Thanked him over a dozen times for that. Few years ago, when Deborah and he became a couple, Matthew wanted to know where he stood with her parents, mother liked him right away, bonded with her father over the Twilight Zone. Thanked George because he and the other writers helped him bond with his future father in law, which is very important to Matthew. He never got tired of hearing how people loved his work.

Michelle Pincus: met him at paperback show, bookseller introduced her to George and they talked for about ½ hour. Next year she came back and George said “hi” to her. Great conversations and he was a dear friend

Hare Hobbes: First saw him at paperback show, went out and caught a familiar smell – pot – figured out who it was, he was holding court outside. Found out who George was later that day

Minutes of the last meeting were read and corrected

Marsha Minsky bid $1 to name the minutes “and you can't spend it”

Patron saints Elayne Pelz, Robbie Bourget, Marty Cantor


Scratch: Elayne has had a “small” impact on the club She doesn't have the historical forceful personality that Robbie had when manning the front desk, but she has a more incomptive nature Knows what is going on and will make sure the right person does it

Marty: Elayne is one of the better treasurer’s they have had. Corflew 2017 she is hotel Liaison and treasurer, she is very competent

Marsha: first came into club, Robbie was treasurer, Elayne was treasurer for the convention and had to work with Elayne and she was so afraid of Elayne. For Loscon 42, tables turned, was more confident, would tell Elayne what they are spending and you could see the wheel spinning. Lots of respect for her. Considers her a very valued friend

Tom: Bruce was very good at keeping the cash coming in. Wondered who would take his place, his wife has done an excellent job continuing that

Matthew: friendship goes far back, 45 years ago same German class, she had just joined LASFS, privileged and honored, quietest hard working people that you know. Can get people to work for her with just a few words. She has never frightened him, but always been impressed by the way she gets cooperation

Milt: moving into first clubhouse – did not have enough paint to finish, poured all remaining paint together and Yankovsky? purple

Three Cheers and “a cup of tea”


Scratch: Has a forceful personality when it comes to money, could gently get $ from people. Well mannered unless you deserved otherwise. Had the ability to (beat up a mugger). Periodically had migraines, Scratch sat by her, speaking French to him (er native language) was carrying on a conversation he did not understand. Hopes he was a small help to her. Good friend. Well worth

Karl: Run Gallifrey 1 for over ¼ century. Manages to hide rather well, she is terrified of speaking in front of crowds, but has to do so every year for Gallifrey. Has a way of dealing with would be felons. Email from Elat, scam, give him address and will pass it on to Robbie. If there were a club member in distress in London area, Robbie would have shown up

Marsha: Loscon 42, had the good fortune as having Robbie as co-chair. Robbie helped make it one of the most enjoyable Loscons. Took Loscon 42 up to Washington, ops and worked with Robbie and John and learned a lot more about ops. Well organized group of people

Joe: Robbie and conventions – when she is around during truck loading, she is an outstanding load mistress. Good at getting things loaded where they belong

Matthew: tidbit – she collects things and obsessively views things. Pink Floyd pulse, collect every variant edition of that from all countries and it would be blinking. Also, along with interest in Dr. Who, when she saw Adam's Family feature film, saw it again and again and again. Friends could say when they wanted to go, and she would join them. Had gone to theater directly from work then she went with matthew – wearing blouse and skirt. First time he saw her in “girl clothes”

Scratch : also loved the movie Sense and Sensibilities, Scratch saw it 4 times with her

Marsha: Wears kilts and skirt at Gally

Marty: did give her driving lessons, met Robbie at 1982 worldcon in Chicago. Mutual love at first sight. In school, was a hockey player, goalie. Talk about crook, San Fran 1993 worldcon, mugger, dragged him to hotel so she could call cops, hotel people threw him out. She wasn't hurt, he was. Really was a gentle person. They never had problems. One of better treasurer's we've ever had. Got divorced about 10 years after marriage. Collect monopoly sets, and Robbie brings him different kinds – chocolate version. Get along very fine. Miss her being around. Born in Canada, grandma told her nice little girls don't speak French, so she learned English. Wonderful person, glad he married her, too bad it didn't work out. Wonderful influence here in LA and in fandom. Now lives in England.

Three cheers “and I have nothing more to say, she's a wonderful person”


Scratch: He calls himself a curmudgeon, he's a nice guy.

Michelle: he's a nice guy no matter what he says

Kay: Managed to give Marty a holiday present. Santa hat with Bah humbug written across the top. Fughead of the year award, would actively campaign for the award. Campaigned for winner

Matthew: known marty for a few decades, not nearly as long as he would like, fanzine fan, not media on your life fan, reader, pleased to have Marty as a friend. Clockwork people, who likes to do things on time. During his single term as president, got the meetings to start at 8:00 pm. So many stories. Snow story – utter disgust at snow, bunch of ppl made trip to mountain, loaded flatbed truck full of snow and dumped it on Marty's doorstep

Mike Thorsen: fortune of being board member with Marty, having him there to make sense of Mike. When proposing things to benefit the club, but can't seem to find right words, Marty is there to help make sense of things

Frank: Remembers back in the day when both Marty and Frank had hair (Marty still does!)

Michelle: People don't understand how hard Marty works for the club, in charge of publications, always been there for publications and helping Michelle. Marty is doing something for Loscon 43 (Marty says no he's not)

Matthew : Deborah is very grateful to Marty because he likes to get here early on Fridays and open the clubhouse, thus relieving her of her responsibilities

Three Cheers and “bah humbug”

Guests: none

Time-Bound Announcements:

Aetna warning

Soda auction - $3 to Matthew for Cherry Coke

Treasurer’s Report: No treasurer's report submitted

A Moment of Science, with David Okamura

A report in Christmas rhyme

Tom: on space station they are now growing lettuce and flowers (zinas), discussing crops such as tomatoes (not yet potatoes)

Committee Reports:

Marty: committee to give people a relaxing good time. Jan 1 is a Friday. You can all come down and enjoy, board games

Marsha: Loscon 42, Jan 24th at 11:30 am there will be wrap up meeting and immediately following will be first meeting for Loscon 43

Upcoming Programs:

December 25: Winter holiday party, with winter movies

December 31: Best SF film of 1940: Dr. Cyclops, plus stuff about Forry

January 1: Special all-day open house and gaming session with refreshments, Noon-10 pm-ish

January 14: Tim Griffin program

Forthcoming programs are in the works for guest authors to talk about favorite books

Old Business: none

New Business: none


Karl: Childhood's End, marathon view, reasonably good adaptation of book, slight difference in ending. Slight quibbled but still enjoyable

Michelle: Star Wars Premiere afterparty. Long tent on Hollywood Blvd. 2 photo ops with BB-8 and Chewy, video games, like a cantina, open bars, plenty of food. Deserts were photograph worthy. Coffee was really good, with milk and cream. R2D2 strolling up and down. Music and light saber show

Milt: Miniseries – BBC miniseries from Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, made in 1996. Good novel and they did well with the miniseries.


Mike Thorsen: Vending machine has been restored to functionality

Karl: 774 platelets donated this year

Adjourn at 9:07 pm
Meeting # 4088, 12/17/2015 PDF Print E-mail

Matthew Tepper presiding

Nick Smith, Scribe

Patron Saints Steve McGinty and Heide Nichols

President Matthew Tepper called the meeting to order 0at: 8:00 pm

Special Orders of Business:

It was a bad week for British SF authors. We note the passing of two of them.

First, British SF author Peter Malcolm de Brissac Dickinson, OBE. Under the shorter version of his name, Peter Dickinson, he wrote almost fifty books in the fields of SF, fantasy and mystery, many for children and teens. The BBC adapted several of them for television. Rankin/Bass did a made-for-tv film called A Flight of Dragons which was a weird mashup of one of his stories and a completely different one by Gordon Dickson. After the death of his first wife, he married another award-winning author, Robin McKinley, and they did a series of fantasy anthologies together. He was a reviewer, poet and editor for Punch magazine for seventeen years, and didn’t sell his first novel until he was 40. He quickly sold three more, quit his job at Punch, and continued writing for the next 45 years, publishing his final two books in 2012.

Also, British author David Rain, who wrote eight science fiction and fantasy novels under the pen name Tom Arden, including one Dr. Who novel. He was just in the process of re-issuing most of the books under his real name, under which his mainstream fiction had been published.

Fan writer and editor Felice Rolf Maxam died recently. She was a LASFS member. Last here around 2011, at the old clubhouse. Died at age 81.

Minutes of the last meeting were read and corrected

Naming rights were sold to Scratch for $3.25, and they became “...and throw the rascals in!”

Patron saints Steve McGinty and Heide Nichols


[from the hagiography] Avid reader and general fan, he had a propensity for computer-related gags. Was an Official Assistant Librarian.

Matthew: Steve would set up an ad-hoc computer network at the old clubhouse. He has been to this clubhouse only rarely.

Three cheers and an overpriced iDevice


Nick—Longtime filker and gamer who has done a lot for LosCon gaming, by keeping good relationship with game publishers.

Matthew—Distance and health issues have interfered with some of her fannish activity in recent years.

Guests: none

Time-Bound Announcements:.

TSPC on Saturday the 19th will be running It's A Wonderful Life. Starts at 10 am.

Marty: New Year's Day open house and gaming from 12 noon to whenever.

Treasurer’s Report: $23,088.28 and you can finish the phrase yourself

Upcoming Programs:

December 17: Big Auction

December 24: Ceremonial hanging of stockings, if we can find the chimney

December 25: Winter holiday party, with winter movies

December 31: Best SF film of 1940: Dr. Cyclops, plus stuff about Forry

January 1: Special all-day open house and gaming session with refreshments, Noon-10 pm-ish

January 14: Tim Griffin program

Forthcoming programs are in the works for guest authors to talk about favorite books

A Moment of Science, with David Okamura

As science and technology forge ahead, laws have to run behind, catching up. [Scribal note: do laws run with their tongues hanging out?] The state of California still insists on having a steering wheel and licensed driver in an otherwise driverless car.

The FAA has announced a drone registration program. Half-pound to 55-pound drones will have to be registered.

Everyone is talking about how El Nino will be a real gullywasher, but this will not totally alleviate the drought. Carlsbad will finally open a de-salinization plant, and Santa Barbara will bring their plant out of mothballs.

Nick mentioned that the Los Angeles Metropolitan Water District plans to cut off water shipments to other water districts for 9 days in the spring, so this may be a needed safeguard.

Old Business: none

New Business: none


Milt read Ancillary Mercy, by Ann Leckle, third volume in a series. The first volume won a Hugo a few years ago. Milt felt that the second and third books felt like one book split in two, and didn't add much to the first book. Lots of tea-drinking, unlikely military structure, gender-neutral terms don't help.

Christian recommended the TV show The Expanse, based on the first episode.

Milt has read the first 5 books in that series, and likes it, and thought the TV adaptation was good up to episode 2, at least.


Ed Hooper announced that there was a wedding between two Star Wars fans at the Chinese Theater, officiated by Shawn Crosby.

Adjourn to auction at:  8:48 pm

Meeting # 4087, 12/10/2015 PDF Print E-mail
Deborah Levin presiding

Nick Smith, Scribe

Patron Saint Fred Patten

Vice president President Deborah Levin called the meeting at:

Special Orders of Business:

The scribe had to double­check this time to make sure that it wasn’t him, but

in fact, we’ve lost British actor Nicholas Smith at the age of 81. With a

character acting career spanning five decades and roles on Doctor Who,

the Avengers, Ace of Wands and other fannish series and films, and even

a role in a Wallace and Gromit movie, what he’s most remembered for by

the general TV­watching public is the twenty years he spent playing Mr.

Rumbold in the British comedy series Are You Being Served?

In addition, Akiyuki Nosaka died yesterday at the age of 85. A writer, singer,

songwriter and member of the Japanese House of Councilors, he is best

known to American fans as having written the story “Grave of the Fireflies,”

which Studio Ghibli turned into what is considered the saddest anime of all


Harry Bowman was one of the 14 victims in San Bernardino, apparently also

a fan.

Minutes of the last meeting

Named: $1.75 from Scratch to name them “It's Marcia' Fault.”

Patron saint Fred Patten

Ed—Fred was a co­founder of CFO, the first American anime club.

George—many fond memories related to Fred, including conversations.

Most memorable was introducing George to “Bring me the Head of Charlie


Marty—Fred was a co­founder of the Down Under Fan Fund. Marty and

Robbie won that, and had a great time. Fred was also a prolific apa

contributor. He contributed to over 2000 consecutive issues of APA­L. His

stroke only slowed him down, although he finally quit.

Milt—Oddest fact known about him was Fred knew how to tap dance. He

was also a science fiction reviewer for Library Journal. He was a member of

“The Cult,” a traditionally obnoxious group of fan writers.

CLJII—when Charlie joined LASFS, Fred was the source of non­American

comics, even before he sold them manga. He also sold corresponding toys.

Kay—She manages Fred's website these days. Fred gave her photos to

post, and one of them was of Fred in costume—as the Jay Garrick Flash.

Kay is slowly typing up some of his old zines and posting them.

Barbara—remembers seeing him standing up, leaning against a bookcase,

sound asleep.

Scott—picked Fred as his fan GoH for LosCon. His stroke happened

between selection and the con, so the con made arrangements for his

transportation so he could still participate.

Marty—Infamous for reading at a party, but still paying attention to

everything around him.

Joe—Fred's APA­L zines had complex funny titles, like one that translated

into English as Radioactive Radishes.

Ed—Fred brought a guest to a con in Anaheim, the creator of Mobile Suit

Gundam, which is how Anaheim Electronics got written into the Gundam


Jerry—Fred was publisher of a review magazine which gave Mote a bad

review. The editor told him he couldn't be fired. That seemed unusual.

Three cheers and a giant robot.

Guests: none

Time­Bound Announcements:

Committee Reports:

Holiday party­­ 2 pm to 10 or 11, and the lantern o' jack is getting full, which

is a good thing. Hot food, cool movies

Treasurer’s Report:

Upcoming Programs:

December 10: Procedural officer elections for January through June

December 11: Gift exchange

December 17: Big Fat Auction

December 24: No program per se, but you can find things to do

December 25: Winter holiday party

December 31: A showing of Dr. Cyclops, a film from 1940

Rules for the gift exchange are available, in print. Bring a gift and snacks to

share. Doors open at approximately 7, exchange starts at 8 pm.

A Moment of Science, with David Okamura

Things are looking up in space, even though there is no up or down there.

The Japanese satellite is now in an elliptical orbit around Venus, and should

start relaying data.

In terms of companies launching stuff into space: Virgin Galactic had Space

Ship 2, which crashed, but have announced a plan to launch satellites off of

a 747, a Virgin Atlantic plane. If that sounds familiar, this idea has been used

before with a B­52, by Orbital.

Orbital still has a contract, but their hardware is suspect, being old Russian

rocket engines, so they've subcontracted. United Launch Alliance is helping

Orbital send a payload to the International Space Station. ULA was the

primary launcher for the U.S. government for satellites for a while. Space X

will be testing a new Falcon 9, and if it works, they will be going back into

space within days. They are still working on landing, and will next try for a

land­based location, rather than the barge concept.

Meanwhile, the ULA may need to use Blue Horizon to launch, because ULA

had been using Russian engines.

Treasurer's report: $24,149.70

Committee to beg [Gavin] pointed out the book sales

Time Bound Announcements:

Sunday, December 13 is both a Board meeting and 2

CLJII—Tuesday is Deck the Halls day on Amazon, so he wants people to

download his free book that day.

Old Business: Procedural elections

Nominations for president:

Gavin Claypool [24]

Nick Smith [14]

Ed nominatef Rob Powell, who clumsily declines

Frank nominatef Deborah, she declined

Gavin Claypool was elected

Vice President

David nominated Deborah, but only if she gets the club name right

Scott nominated Gizmo, who declined

While NOT using the green radioactive radish­colored ballot,

Deborah was elected by acclamation.


Elayne nominated Jeromy [24]

Deborah nominated Ed Hooper [13]

Eric nominates Michelle, but Elayne pointed out that Michelle is already co-
treasurer, and is thus not eligible

Marcia nominated Scratch, who declined

Greg nominated David, who declined

Jeromy was elected as registrar


Jeromy nominated Karl

Michelle nominated Nick and Karl, who collectively accepted [30]

Karl then withdrew Jeromy's nomination of Karl

George nominated The Emperor, who declined imperially

Ed Hooper nominates Joe Zeff, who accepted [6]

June nominates Jack Harness, who posthumously declined

Joe nominated Matthew, whose wife had been given instructions to decline

Voting used a ballot “Visible from space”

The team of Nick and Karl won

New Business: none


CLJII has been watching the new Fargo series, 2

you count a flying saucer.

Gavin—adaptation of Childhood's End will begin next Monday.


Francis Hamit has a new book out on security, a professional one. Also

Leigh Strother­Virn is still undiagnosed.

Since Gavin will be busy for a while on Thursdays, so buy your DVDs now.

Frank is going in for prostate surgery.

CLJII says we don't want to see his scar.

Marcia says that Jim Hines is still saying nice things about LosCon on social


Milt: Retro Hugos for the year 1940 at the Kansas City Worldcon. Year of

eligibility and length. If This Goes On by Heinlein was too short to qualify, but

the Gray Lensman is eligible in the best novel category.

Francis announced that Gavin has been editing books for him for publication,

and did a superb job.

Adjournment at: 9:31 pm
Meeting # 4071, Aug 20, 2015 PDF Print E-mail

Matthew Tepper presiding

Kristen Gorlitz, Scribe

Karl Lembke, emergency back-up Scribe (Until Kristen arrived)

Patron Saint Alan Frisbie

(Portions read at the meeting are highlighted like this.)

President Matthew Tepper segued into meeting #4071 at 8:00.

Our Scribe has a flat tire, and is having to get a ride here. But as long as she’s safe, that’s all that matters.  So we have an emergency back-up Scribe.

The menace were read, and Debra Levin bid $1 to name them “Oh dear”.

We have a Special Order of Business, presented by David Okamura.

We note the passing of Yvonne Craig, youngest member of Ballet Russe de Monte Carlo, and who had an extensive movie and TV career, including such series as Star Trek, Man from UNCLE,  Voyage to the Bottom of the Barrel Sea, and Batgirl. She was 78, blame cancer.

We had a moment of silence in her honor.

Bill Green mentioned FWEMS this coming Sunday.

The Emperor is having cataract surgery, and we wish him well and success.

FWEMS will show the Fullest Extant Version of It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, followed by 1941, Tom Khamis hosts.

Hare Hobbs: His Ride Access Card has arrived. He now has his own transportation.


No further announcements, and in the absence of an auctioneer, we had no auction.

Both treasurers having left town, Gavin Claypool is filling in as collector of money.

Patron Saint.

Michelle Pincus-

Scratch - She’s out of town

Jerry Pournelle- Always drives him to the meeting, always starts things and finishes them well.

Frank - Never met another human being like her. She was his wife in another life. Oh my god. So much energy in a reasonably small package. Knows Frank like the back of her hand.

Karl - Evans-Freehafer Award. Karl was on committee that selected her and continues to be happy that he was  (Actually, happy that she was selected -- KL)

Matthew - Also serves on the board of directors for something like 5 years and is semi treasurer

Gavin - Still working on 80th anniversary dinner, which would have been held next year. Cliftons will be open Next month October 27th, 81st dinner, Tuesday

“And a whole lot of ribbons”

Michelle could do a program on ribbon management

Fuzzy Niven - Marilyn Niven

Scratch - She is the quiet companion of Mr. Niven. Doesn’t say much often, but when she does it’s worth while

Jerry - Without her as hostess we could not have held kitchen cabinet meetings in Tarzana. 50 top scientists, politicians, military officers, sci-fi writers grouped into social situation. It was a very difficult job that she managed very well. And she kept everyone fed with gourmet meals for 50 people for a week with only a few volunteers to help. Unclassified meeting. Top secret clearances. Thinks we would still be in the Cold War if they did not have the meeting. And he is able to keep Mr. Niven anchored in the real world, which is a difficult thing to do.

MAtthew - If you go to convention like Worldcon or Loscon and there is an auction and art show, the reason things work so well is that Mareline Niven is involved in making sure they work properly. She has been the keeper of the one true mailing list for many years now. Elayne is the front, but the database was designed by Marilyn Niven

Scratch - She;s a nice lady

Fuzzy Pink Marilyn Niven

And fuzzy pink bedroom slippers

No guests

Guest Rowen Dell has graduated to member

Committee Reports

Charles is not here.

Next week is without program, although that is planned because many people will have things to say about Worldcon and Hugo awards. One disconcerting thing is that several people have taken photos of the sky, and there are many fires in that part right now, soot and smoke, and the sun is red. Superman would have lost his powers

1st meeting in Sept. Will be selecting laureate for Forrest J Ackerman award lifetime achievement to science fiction. Think about who would be a worthy recipient. Strongly suggested we nominated someone who is still alive.

Old business - None

New business - None

Moment of Science

David Okamura -

Some good news. Japanese supply ship has successfully launched and is on way to international space station. Concerning ISS, NASA has asked the museum that holds the Endeavor surrender two of the water tanks on board the shuttle. They need it for the space station. At least they are not taking the tiles says Matthew. We will never get it back.

Ventura County - recent USC riverside large earthquake in SAnta Monica channel a tsunami can hit far worse 7.1 one or larger could strike 20 ft tsunami right into VEntura County. Some people think this is like saying the sky is falling.

But the ground is falling right now in Santa quin (San Joaquin). Farmers who have been denied their surface water have started to drill and are sucking water out of the water table and are experiences ground sinking. Casualty could be California aqueduct.

Genetics- scientists have found out more about obesity gene. It is not the gene but the mutation that changes the function of it, instead of ordering body to burn fuel instead stores it as fat. Seeing what they can do to reduce this process. There is something wrong genetically.

British scientists have been experimenting with mice. By changing one gene they are creating smarter mice that can have extended memories, solve mazes and remember them, and are less prone to fear. Tolerable of being out in the open light. Affects production of a certain enzyme.

Historic note - Warren G Harding, not know as most illustrious presidents, presidency corrupt with scandal. Died in office, some suspects first Lady had a hand in his death. More fuel - around time there was a tell all biography, claimed that her daughter was fathered by WArren G Harding, and it has been confirmed, she is his daughter. Matthew - there is a sci-fi reference in Barnstormer in Oz, Glenda (Glinda) is getting revenge on him for sending expedition into Oz

LucasLand in Disneyland - not so published, at the convention so participants saw a glimpse into yesterland. Three extinct attractions created in virtual reality.

Jerry Pournelle - due to California’s labeling laws, if they are genetically cured of obesity, will they have to wear a sign labeled as GMOs

Frank - question about tomorrowland - trip to the moon was there from the beginning. Futureland had Mickey Mouse house

Hare - Disney - Ruth Pells called it the board of Anaheim, they are consuming Anaheim

Reviews and Miscellaneous

Gavin - Saw new Guy Richie (Guy Richman is the director -- KL)  film Man from U.N.C.L.E. It was reasonably enjoyable. Don’t expect anything like the TV show. Don’t rush to see it but won’t be too disappointed with your time.

Scratch- do they have collapsible pistol? Gavin - possible but it was vaguely shown

Frank - Creature Features had a Man from U.N.C.L.E presentation with the old stuff. Props, backgrounds, old toys and collectibles. Had people of stature there (people who worked on it or were in it). Worthwhile to go to Creature Features, the store in Burbank. Before you die, you have to go. (IT would be difficult to go after)

Aetna warning at 8:49 pm.

Jerry Pournelle - Astronauts Wives Club tv series, about the women married to the 7 original astronauts. It is kinder to NASA perhaps than they deserve. Betty Grissom finally got mad after her husband Gus Grissom was killed. All and all it was good. The women looked the part. Jerry knew Gus Grisam (Grissom). The series was fairly accurate, even if it was Hollywoodized.

Matthew - how did they portray Annie Glenn. Jerry - she was shy. HAd they all how they were as far as her can tell, but Betty was not quite as aggressive as she was in the real world. When the president didn’t come down or act like Gus was a human being, she went crazy and enlisted members of congress to bring him back status wise. Gus one of the most fouled mouthed guys he met in his life, but was the best engineer of the lot. Would have been first man on the moon if he was not killed in capsule accident. He heard the tape of the burning. It is grimm. You don’t want to hear it. They decided to run an experiment in which they [put 15 pounds pressure about atmosphere pressure of pure oxygen in the capsule. Anything will burn in that environment. You don’t want to hear that tape.

Matthew - Soviets did not learn from it, one of their died for oxygen chamber and space heater

Jerry - 5 pounds is total pressure, not 15! Almost anything becomes flammable under those circumstances.

Scratch - has seen an enclosed experiment, had sears space heater in oxygen tank. Coils burned like magnesium torch.

Karl - steel wool will burn in normal atmosphere

Matthew - when something oxidizes quickly we call it explosion

Jerry could not believe that anyone was dumb enough to do this experiment.

Karl - As of Tuesday,platelet unit number 748 in the bag.

Bill Green - back in early 1960s when he was student. Teacher Ed Nye played recording of communicate with one of the early flights and in background you can hear someone cursing continuously. Maybe that was Gus Grissom.

David Okamura - Goodyear blimp has been retired and was deflated last week. There are 3 in the US. The one in Carson was in service for 13 years was retired. Will be replaced by its sister in Florida in Sept but that’s temporary and are phasing out that entire generation for a larger blimp done by Zeppelin company with very different technology from the old ones.

Hair - Company that made blimps went out of business?

Scratch - German Hindenberg (Hindenburg) survived until 1938. American makers were all Zeppelin designs. If you use helium it is safe, verses fire

Motion to adjourn after we have cleaned up after ourselves and put away the chairs.

Adjourn 9:04 pm
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